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Rbrtammy
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Username: Rbrtammy
Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 04:22 pm GMT: | 
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Hi Shirley
Just looked at the site and *wow* - but $6000 to experiment with seems a bit pricey.
And for those thinking of buying one for their original purpose - a real girlfriend would *almost* be cheaper 
Stay rubbery
Tammy
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Shirleytv
Aspiring Postacrat
Username: Shirleytv
Post Number: 12
Registered: 05-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 12:29 pm GMT: |
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there is a english version of the candygirl page: http://www.ori-int.com/
however, i think they are just life sized doll, not living doll this topic discussing about |
Willyjim2000
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Username: Willyjim2000
Post Number: 42
Registered: 08-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:04 pm GMT: |
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As someone already stated, the Japanese seem to be light years ahead of most of us a the area of living Mannequins and RubberDolls. Here's a link page with a whole bunch of Japanese rubber doll buffs.
http://www.green.co.jp/orient/users.html
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Drgummi
Senior Postacrat
Username: Drgummi
Post Number: 146
Registered: 06-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:51 pm GMT: |
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those pictures of the girls made up as mannequins comes from www.fetishislands.com; from looking around ther eit seems someone has been reading the web for new kinky ideas, and making videos of them... |
Merzbit
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Username: Merzbit
Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:41 pm GMT: |
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Gord
I can't hook up with anyones email. Email at merzbit@yahoo.com so I can maybe put a photo on web or something,
Merzbit |
Shinymagic
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Username: Shinymagic
Post Number: 67
Registered: 06-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 06:31 pm GMT: |
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Ship,
After looking through those links I found I don't think that it is what you're interested in, as James mentioned. It is all about acting and being still like a mannequin - no latex involved. No suits, sorry.
I grabbed that link through the wayback machine - Gomez posted the link to that. I could see the faq. Try surfing around from the link Gomez posted - not everything works (no images), but there is some info on how to be a mannequin there. |
Ship
Aspiring Postacrat
Username: Ship
Post Number: 16
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:25 pm GMT: |
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Shinymagic
>You guys might be interested in this:
>http://web.archive.org/web/20020603032532/www.livingmannequin.com/articles.php
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>It is through the wayback machine off of another thread here on living mannequin suits.
ARGRGRGRRGGAGAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!! I have been searching for information regarding this dead site for weeks and here you post something from it! OOOOOOHHHH you wabbit -- You!
UNFORTUNATELY the two links on this thing are COMPLETELY DEAD! Or at least they are for me. can anyone look down on this thing and see if there was a producer who made a complete rubber form fitting endrogenous body suit and if so who it was? |
James
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Username: James
Post Number: 30
Registered: 10-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:37 pm GMT: |
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Well, that's a step in the right direction; thanks, Gomez!
There is a LivingMannequin.com update dated September 5th, 2002 asking for help for the site to "come back to life," so apparently it was still around in SOME form a year longer than what I'd found had hinted. The newer date may improve the odds of tracking down more clues as to what happened.
Unfortunately, it appears that only the text of the site's main page has been archived (unless there's a trick I don't know). So, beyond verifying that the site once existed and getting a better handle on when it was still alive, I don't see much else we can gleen in the way of information. Perhaps someone else will spot something I missed?
James
P.S. Ship, are you sure this is the site you're after? It appears to be geared towards "living mannequins" -- people who pretend to be mannequins for store windows and what-not -- rather than doll suits or anything of that sort. Hard to tell much from just the main page, but it makes me wonder.
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Ataraxia
IAR Admin Team
Username: Ataraxia
Post Number: 346
Registered: 09-1998
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:22 pm GMT: |
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Note: the URL Gomez just posted DOES work, but you need to copy/paste it into the address box of your browser.
The "*" in the URL confuses DISCUS. |
Gomez
Senior Postacrat
Username: Gomez
Post Number: 160
Registered: 06-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:09 pm GMT: |
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try The Wayback Machine: the Living Mannequin site appears to have been archived there:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://LivingMannequin.Com |
James
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Username: James
Post Number: 29
Registered: 10-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 04:44 pm GMT: |
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I did some Googling to see what I could find relative to the site in question, and it looks like it hasn't been around for quite a while.
I found a forum post from January of 2002 stating that the site owner's email address wasn't working, and asking if anyone else knew how to contact them.
Here is the last reference I found:
LivingMannequin.Com - Change of ISP for the better
Posted by Kimy-LM , Aug 10,2001,17:19
Hi All,
We changed ISPs here, so the site is now hosted on a dedicated 10Mbps line to the Internet. That means that we can serve more people, faster and better. We'll be updating the site in a few weeks time with some new pictures, actually old pictures that you've never seen.
We'll be adding the DomainName registration service soon, so that peopole can register there own yourname.livingmannequin.com domain.
And some other stuff that we are planning.
Best regards,
Kimy the Living Mannequin
Webmaster & Content Editor
LivingMannequin.com
So, it looks like something went wrong in roughly the last quarter of 2001.
I'll keep my eyes open for anything useful.
Cheers,
James
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Ship
Aspiring Postacrat
Username: Ship
Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:31 pm GMT: |
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Livingdoll
>I need to find out who makes that suit..it's a must have
Many people have said the same thing including myself. Unfortunately, it is a not a current production. Several people here have posted similar ideas on who was the manufacturer and what was the technique that said full body suits would be created by neck open (unlikely due to low shelf life), two sections (possible but those units that have similar matching frontal applications would leave a SERIOUS flaw in the end product appearance), sectioned hard paneled suit as in the first posted mannequin picture (possible -- and personally I think this one is best thus far as an actual continual wear suit myself -- and highly probable but again serious segmentation issues in the final product as you can see the underlying unit is yellow cloth, while the top is panel plastic pieces), direct body application with thick body paint to cover over the joints (possible, but the original unit that I was seeking was a definite pvc/latex suit -- not true rubber I think as that would be too thick in the end product).
The pictures have been sent to me through other fetish boards I joined in regards to my search for the producer and the end product. Two people have said that the producer that I am seeking was located at a site called www.livingmannequin.com which is no longer in production. The technique that they stated was a rear entries specific modified body suit (direct negative matching mold). I have questions with that as the ends of the suit would leave ripples and large creases after continued use as in all catsuits I have ever seen as well as a few other things.
Hence I wanted to contact the manufacture and find out what their specific creation technique was and what maintenance techniques were used to prevent such from occurring (if at all possible).
If you are interested I can ask and find out where specifically those pictures were attained from though. |
Tightfit
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Username: Tightfit
Post Number: 55
Registered: 09-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:35 pm GMT: |
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Livingdoll
Stumbelled across this web site one day.
Perhaps it can help get you started?
http://www.maskon.com/kerry/masks/katsumi4.htm
Let us know how it works out.
TightFit |
Livingdoll
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Username: Livingdoll
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:08 am GMT: |
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daaaaamn I love the pic ship put up of the two girls holding hands looking like living dolls...I need to find out who makes that suit..it's a must have...also the other female mask one below..the latex body is kick ass...any info ...please tell |
Gord
IAR Admin Team
Username: Gord
Post Number: 215
Registered: 09-1999
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 11:41 pm GMT: |
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Thanks for the plug Kim, your pix are excellent - but not quite the same manequin concept as in this thread!
Information is everything
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Rubdoll
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Username: Rubdoll
Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 10:31 pm GMT: |
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Hi rubberists,
If you are interested to see a rubber doll suit?
Take a look at www.madieanne.com.
Greetings
Rubdoll. |
Blackice
Senior Postacrat
Username: Blackice
Post Number: 149
Registered: 05-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 10:35 am GMT: |
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Hi Ship
I could post you the doll suit in full latex which I had made for a photoshoot but don't want to post it in public.
Its for a narrative based series of images but the woman has flaked out and I need to get the suit back from her....
PS: was made by libidex
Mark
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Dark
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Username: Dark
Post Number: 253
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:47 am GMT: |
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I have often wondered who buys all the female fashions made by the rubber vendors? As Ship noted almost all the videos, fashion shows, marketing...whatever have a huge majority of female designs. Oh yes there are the xdressers which seem to number not an insignificant amount.
If there are a lot of females buying and wearing rubber...could it simply be to "please".. turn on... whatever... their kinky partners? It would seem that one could put this debate to rest somewhat buy sending inquires to the major vendors and asking them about the gender demographics of their customers... say... SkinTwo, Coccoon... Kastley... Kunzamn... Marquis... Libidex... Simon O... House of Whacks... House of Harlot... EctoMorphe... Polymorphe to name a few... Maybe women are simply doing more buying and less talking, chatting... posting. Is it that women fetishists may find it easier to find an accepting / embracing fetish partner than men because there seem to be more male fetishists than female...and hence you don't see them bitchin and moaning about being single... This may account for the seeming dearth of female rubber people out there.
What cannot be denied however, is that body consciousness has for a long time been a female dominated domain... hence all the fashion diversity for females. The focus on sexy clothes has never been a male thing historically... woman seem not to be attracted to clothes in men as much as men are to clothes and women.
But to get back to the original focus of this thread... a single piece "one off" mannequinlike female rubber suit is not really about fashion as much as it is about the most fundamental fetish desire to be "second skinned" in rubber suit which somehow obscures the wearer's true identity whilst revealing them at the same time in their "naked" form. |
James
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Username: James
Post Number: 28
Registered: 10-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 02:34 am GMT: |
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quote:You're joking, right? MANY and I DO mean MANY women actively engage in rubber fetish and bondage.
No, I was quite serious. I made that statement based on my experience and reports from others (which is all I can go by, really.)
Perhaps I wasn't clear when I said "slice of the fetish community." I was referring to actual rubberists. The majority of people dressed up in movies or at events being women doesn't really have a bearing on that, to my mind: There are a lot of reasons to don latex without being a rubberist. Nor did I mention bondage; that's a separate kink (which does seem to have a much larger percentage of female participation).
For the record, my wife and I founded and ran two BDSM support/education/social organizations, one basically on each coast (ESCAPE and ESCAPE East). In other words, I have decent metrics to go by as well. So, unless I see convincing evidence to the contrary, I'll stand by my statement. (And my, would I love for you to be right!)
Please know that I'm not trying to be argumentative or sound authoritative -- I'm just explaining 1) why I said what I said, and 2) clarifying what I meant.
And if there really is a wealth of female rubberists as you maintain, have some of the central East Coast ones get in touch with me, please. Nimue's needs a Web catalog illustrated! Hehe.
quote:>"Ship" being a gender-neutral name,
Actually its my initials
S.H.(i)P.
Shirley H. Peterson
I use the i for SHiP as I was a fireman (third class) in the USN
If the capitalization is important to you, you may want to look into changing your IAR profile name. It's listed here as "Ship," not "SHiP."
quote:It wasn't like you knew and I do NOT go around saying my gender as my definition.
Perhaps. But all I had to do was click your member name on your post to pull up your IAR profile and check your gender. The fact that I instead took the unthinking way out and assumed was inappropriate. I'll try to check before assigning gender in the future. Thank you for the sanity check.
Cheers,
James
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Ship
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Username: Ship
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 01:05 am GMT: |
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>Ship,
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>Mea culpa! Women are (still) somewhat rare in this slice of the fetish community
You're joking, right? MANY and I DO mean MANY women actively engage in rubber fetish and bondage. I run a dungeon for the creator of my group though technically I prefer to referred to as a neutral and NOT as a Dom or Top I can be considered one. (Don't ask, as no, the group is not open to joiners at this time)
In MANY of the recorded rubber films, it is almost always WOMEN who wear exotic clothes, especially rubber!
Pick a fetish promotion party such as THE Fetish Ball, or Kink in the Carribean and tell me which is the majority of the people there in costume....
>"Ship" being a gender-neutral name,
Actually its my initials
S.H.(i)P.
Shirley H. Peterson
I use the i for SHiP as I was a fireman (third class) in the USN
>I just unthinkingly went with the masculine gender when referring to you.
>My apologies, and certainly no insult was intended.
None taken. It wasn't like you knew and I do NOT go around saying my gender as my definition.
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James
Moderator
Username: James
Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 12:15 am GMT: |
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quote:Oh and James I'm a woman...
Ship,
Mea culpa! Women are (still) somewhat rare in this slice of the fetish community, and with "Ship" being a gender-neutral name, I just unthinkingly went with the masculine gender when referring to you. My apologies, and certainly no insult was intended.
quote:...I keep posting female pictures
I'm fine with female pictures.
Keep us posted on the results of your search!
Cheers,
James
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Ship
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Username: Ship
Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 10:37 pm GMT: |
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Hi all! Hope you all enjoyed your weekend. Boy its seems I started a something of a revolution here! Thanks for all the help though!
Ataraxia I am NOT related with the producer of the Zentai videos. however from what I have seen in the videos the suits are still cloth on the inside with a polymerization added to the external layer hence the rubber look and sheen. The feet of the suits are fixed into the units with standard high heel shoes that technically doe NOT exit the suit, but blend off from it. But it seems to be the closest that I have found since you are all now telling me that the picture of the suit on the dias is merely a mannequin and not a suit on the dummy. Despite it having such widely contrasting skin one between hands and body shell as well as eyes to head unit; a large neck wrap area, the upper torso being free from the lower torso just so a person would not have that pressure on their bladder, the leggings being made out of cloth rather than a completely fixed plastic shell -- ah what a minute are you SURE that this is NOT a suit on a mannequin? It starts to seem that the designer went to a LOT of trouble to make this look like a rig someone could either directly wear or port over to being a suit someone could wear. And even if this one is NOT an actual suit that was intended to wear again it demonstrated all the characteristics of the suit I am searching for.
James - no these zentai "rubber" suits are NOT originally latex suit. This I do know for a fact. While I was living in Japan five years ago there are fetishclubs where a FEW -- and I do mean a FEW -- people have worn full body rubber suits. BUT the cost is SO outrageously high to get one into the country that many simply cannot afford to buy a simple latex catsuit, let alone a custom job that this "rubberized" zentai suit would cost as a true latex unit. The treatment that these "rubberized" zentai suits allow the producer to create a rubber like effect at usually less than a third of the cost of a true rubber suit.
Oh and James I'm a woman hence the reason I keep posting female pictures. But just to be fair here is a male zentai picture actually it is two male zentai fighting it out over a zentai woman.
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Ataraxia
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Username: Ataraxia
Post Number: 325
Registered: 09-1998
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 02:06 am GMT: |
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HOUSEKEEPING MODE: ON
I moved this thread into the Knowledge Base because it has attracted such an enormous amount of interest.
There are 20, rather lengthy messages here now so the conversation is becoming a bit hard to follow. I have added a "start new thread" button to this area to allow you to create places for tangental discussion. Please create them sparingly and put a lot of thought into the titles you use. In particular, avoid redundancy. This will help keep things easier to follow. Thanks!
HOUSEKEEPING MODE: OFF
 Rubberists are the most sensual people in the world!
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Blackice
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Username: Blackice
Post Number: 148
Registered: 05-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 07:38 pm GMT: |
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Hi
The chrome stand images is definately not a suit as I'm the one who scanned it!!
M |
Gomez
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Username: Gomez
Post Number: 158
Registered: 06-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 06:38 pm GMT: |
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Ship,
I would just like to point out that, contrary to what the doll/mannequin community would like to believe, the picture of the manneguiin on the chrome display stand (in this thread, the image file is called 73921.jpg) is a sculpture by Allen Jones. It is _not_ a wearable suit, more's the pity. |
Dark
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Username: Dark
Post Number: 251
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 02:27 pm GMT: |
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Ship raises the point of not only making a one off suit, but of making the suits specific to an individual. This would be the ultimate rubber suit, as the skin would be an exact duplicate of the wearer's own shape! Making a mold of a person is a bit more complicated than starting with an existing mannequin and modifying it as desired.
To create a unique casting of an individual can be done is several parts.. just as making the pieces of the negative mold mentioned in a previous post. The key to making the pieces is to do them in such a way that they are easily removable from the person you are casting. To do this perfectly may require casting many pieces. Think of an ear for example, Were you to let plaster harder around a human ear, it may be impossible to remove it becase the "base" where the lobe attaches is much smaller that the lobe. If the lob is not "flexible" enough it will simply not fit through the base! All this geometry / topography must be carefully considered. Sometime the cast is broken ... carefully when removing and the pieces reassembled. If a human is not the form .. then can even be "sawn" off and then reassembled.
However, making a plaster or fiberglas duplicate of an individual's body can be accomplished by a combination of casting and "sculpting". Of course some skill is required to sculpt a complex nuanced shape shape such as an ear.. or a belly button.
Casting as described above would be vastly expensive to market such a suit commercially but is within the realm of possibility.
There are high tech methods for duplicating / creating forms. These involve laser body scans and computer driven laser carving" or etching. Extremely accruate and complex 3 dimensional shapes can be carved from solid material using this technique. But this approach, though not time consuming as the "artistic" ones previously described, is cost prohibtive because of the equipment cost and the material cost of the solid block of acrylic to carve from.
Projects such as these are attempted by people with intense focus, patience and vision. I am reminded of sailors who spend decades building a bost in their backyards... piece by piece. These projects are done that way usually for a few reasons, It is too expensive to pay for someone else to do it all at once... so the cost is spread out over time... the labor cost is "sweat equity" and is YOUR time... a certain pride and confidence that you are getting it right and knowing that every detail is made to YOUR liking and standards.
A mannequin suit cost can be brought down with "economies" of scale. But this would require a market of sufficient size to create the economies of scale. Despite the fact that a "perfect" fit mannequin suit may appeal to many fetish lovers... it is debatable whether that community could support sales to enjoy the benfits of ecomony of scale making the suit affordable.
Simple economics will reveal that to make such a suit affordable it would have to involve less than 20-30 hours... and it would be quite expensive. However, it is certainly conceivable that such an individual effort could involve hundreds of hours and several people might be required at various stages... not to mention workshop space,equipment and material costs.
Typical glued latex fashion is as expensive as it is because of the high labor costs of assembly. Sewn latex garments should be competative with sewn garments of other materials however... as the same technology and equipment is used. The raw material is not a major factor in the cost of most garments.
Now you need to find the fetishist with the vision skill and determination of a backyard boat builder! |
James
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Username: James
Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 02:01 pm GMT: |
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Blackice, thanks for all the great information!
You said: I think a custom latex catsuit with hood would be best, as to not seeing the seems etc, thats down to good design and photography.
That's sort of what wearing a latex doll gets you, plus the total lack of seams. It's "artificially realistic" enough for what I have in mind. The impression I get from Ship, though, is that he wants something a bit more realistic. You don't get a belly button with a latex catsuit. I could be wrong, but I think he wants to replicate a "mannequinized" human body (e.g., no genitals) as closely as possible.
You also said: The MONICA FIGURES photo is a female mask and a sex doll suit combined. Think it's Leatha Weapons or something like that.
Apparently it's "something like that." As Monica "herself" says, the suit isn't off-the rack but is built up from several pieces:
I made the rubber suit gluing multiple separate pieces together. It has an upper and a lower portion... The rubber gloves glued on to the upper part of the suit have artificial nails glued on to them.
(This is a translation; the original German is available at http://www.maskon.com/marti/Monica%20Figures/Explaination.htm.)
So, "she" may very well have started with a Letha Weapons and gone from there. Others doing work with latex dolls make and offer for sale things like more realistic nipples/areolae, fake vaginas, and so on. I don't think any of this will measure up the what Ship's looking for, but there's no denying that Monica is doing some interesting work.
Ship said: What you are describing Ataraxia [a zentai suit coated with liquid latex] has been used several times in Japanese Zentai videos.
Ship, do you have any confirmation of that? The reason I ask is, the photo you posted appears to be simply material, not latex. Some of the metallic blends are pretty amazing (snoop around the site behind the link Dark posted earlier), and our own pvc_ninja owns stuff in vinyl that is nearly indistinguishable from latex at a reasonable distance. I'm just curious if you know for sure or are just taking an educated guess.
Cheers,
James
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