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Mrbag
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Username: Mrbag
Post Number: 32
Registered: 07-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 02:04 pm GMT: | 
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Well, it's getting professional now.
There is a mad dose of nitty-gritty detail to consider.
The sex pub on main street seems to have had too many brawls, so it has been shut down.
Note it seems to be the ultimate orgasm to deny everybody else the slightest pleasure. Make War, Not Love!
Thanx Osama bin Laden!
Hiding in an industrial area might be the best idea, public transport might be close enough and, unlike residential areas, sundays will draw almost no crowd. Good idea is to have a wall around your lot and your visitors parking inside.
Only a bag is decent clothing!
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Passion_play
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Username: Passion_play
Post Number: 25
Registered: 08-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 08:26 pm GMT: |
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This Thread has certainly oiled the gears for a potentially vast creative opportunity.
Perhaps a (set of) Poll/Survey/Questionare should be drafted as the basis for gathering the marketing information.
Examples:
# Would you prefer boarding:
* Within a metrolpolitan city.
* 5-10 miles/ X/km (metric) of a metrolpolitan city (possibly Suburban)
* X# miles/km (countryside/secluded) outside a major city)
# Transportation Services:
* available (more than tram/bus)
* available (including taxi svcs)
* none (bring your own)
# Duration of Residence:
* less than a week (7 days)
* less than a month
* less than 3 months
* less than 6 months
* less than a year (365 days/ 12 months)
Personal Preferences (will vary from leasor to rentee):
# smoking: yes/no
# gender: m/f/either
# price range (regarding length of stay)
# activities (regarding fetishes)
# background check ( serial killers/felonious/drug-dealing Derelicts need not apply )
The other issue in question is Would this business/leasor/landlord be advertising their room/domocile/estate/property as a place to live(residence where a person would even be capable of receiving mail) or would they be advertising for a (resort/"farm"/getaway/vacation) ?
Are there any serious Real-Estate Agents/Investors or Lawyers/Barristers Interested?
Summary:
*** moral/legal/psychological/financial/health factors should definitely be addressed. ***
A quality business is run by people who do what they love most. However, there are certainly major differences between having a 'vacationer' stay at ones' residence versus the legally binding contract of a person paying rent/barter.
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Think Different, Think Rubberist!
Passion_play
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Conniepa
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Username: Conniepa
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 07:35 pm GMT: |
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I'd love to speak to Ataraxia's question, as it's sort of the situation I find myself in, only in reverse.
To be honest, you don't need to be a rubberist to take in a rubberist as a boarder or roomer. My housemate did it, and she's never touched a rubber garment or desired to, her entire life. But she sure got a rubberist tenant in me !! Thankfully, she's perfectly ok with that part of my life.
Taking on someone you don't know as a boarder in your home is not a simple thing to do. If anything, it takes more scrutiny than you might give to a lover before moving in together. At best, I'd say it's wise to know this person fairly intimately, perhaps to the point of even being friends before taking the plunge.
What will the arrangements be ? Will you share meals ? Will you share housework duties (both inside and outside) ? Will the boarder be allowed visitors, or will the owner of the place have to screen them ? These are all questions my housemate and I have had to consider. I'm not entirely certain we've answered them satisfactorily yet, and I've lived here almost 4 years. and these questions are much easier answered if you are a single person taking on a renter. If you live with someone else already, they have to have a say, too.
Also, your boarder must be ok with you. What if the boarder smokes, and you don't ? What if you smoke and the boarder doesn't ? Trust me, this is an important issue.
It can work. But it's not at all simple. Of course it would be nice to have someone else in the house who shares our interest, but I have to wonder - how many of us even know a rubberist who needs a room to rent who is willing to live where we live ? |
Ataraxia
IAR Admin Team
Username: Ataraxia
Post Number: 668
Registered: 09-1998
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 02:40 pm GMT: |
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Actually, this whole idea may be a bit formalistic.
If you have an extra bedroom (or two) in your house and if your family style is ammenable to it, you could just rent the room out to a Rubberist as a simple boarder.
It's a lot less complicated which makes it a lot more realistic.
Obviously, you would need to do some serious screening, develop a contract and set certain rules. What are some of the things you would need to consider?
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Steveb
Moderator
Username: Steveb
Post Number: 131
Registered: 06-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 04:41 pm GMT: |
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Hi,
it never hurts to dream Mr Bag. All it takes are a few people with a common goal and the perseverance to not give up even though things don't seem to be in your favor. Persistence does pay off in the end. Good luck in your quest.
Steveb 
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Mrbag
Aspiring Postacrat
Username: Mrbag
Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 02:07 pm GMT: |
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Sigh!
Mr. Blowup is looking for a second place near Dénia to host rubberists in winter.
Mistress Marie advertised a rubberist B&B in Cornwall sevral years ago in Shiny DFP and Rubberist.
And I also have plans for a rubberist paradise.
Well, nobody can stop me throwing private parties at home, also nobody can object an open door day or exhibition.
There are already fetish events at a nearby castle "Burg Geretzhoven", the BDSM tribe meets every month at "No Limits".
There is a solitary mill nearby, but the lottery fairy still hasn't given me a decent months' jackpot so I could afford the €1,300,000.00 they want, by rumour.
They have to be squeezed firmly, it is much too much for the lousily renovated mill, unless there is a goodie like the area designated for a golf course seen in the village map.
There have been several plans for golf courses, but most of them seem to have been dropped.
Germany is quite liberal, we now have a sex club in an abandoned pub on Main Street!
And the village knows me in rubber and skirts and dresses still being recognisable as a male.
And total Enclosure like this!
Somehow we all need a goal.
Only a bag is decent clothing!
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Cheri
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Username: Cheri
Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:20 pm GMT: |
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I am surprised to see this coming back out after a year of no thoughts. I think that if this was an idea of someone that had some investment ideas, that it could be feasibly done in a rural setting, as with all the nudist colonies spread around the country (in the USA). There are lots of them and the locations all seem to be outside of the local communities. If I had the capital to start one, I would look at a large track of land (approximately 100 acres or more) and either have a chainlink fence with privacy hedges installed or a large wooded area all around the property (preferably the fence). Then the cost of a boarding house(s) would have to come in several phases, the first being to build a primary unit that could house the office, permanent workers living quarters, possibly a local shop for selling commodities and even some latex/rubber/leather items, and some short term guest units, (or remodel the existing home if space is addiquate). The second phase would consist of building the long/short term stay units where each unit would consist of a mini kitchen, living room and bedrooms. As time progressed and accommodation requirement increased there could be addition units built, as well as possibly other types of community rooms (play rooms, meeting rooms, etc.).
Well I have come up this idea, if anyone else has better ideas, or would like to add to this, please do so and who only knows, it could be more reality than dreams (even though it is a dream I have always wandered about).
Thanks for bringing this back to life Ataraxia, I would love to see someone with a financial back round to help us in coming up with ways to finance such a lovely idea. I think it is a very feasible idea, only initial draw backs are financial and location(s).
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Ataraxia
IAR Admin Team
Username: Ataraxia
Post Number: 118
Registered: 09-1998
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:05 pm GMT: |
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There seems to be two different tracks working here. One involves a holiday-stay "Bed & Breakfast" sort of operation and the other is more like a residential boarding house or apartment concept.
It seems to me that from a purely business cash flow standpoint, both have their pros and cons.
The B&B concept seems more readily adaptable to ones current home and would require less up-front investment but sales would probably be more irregular and seasonal. It might also be a bit harder to hide and/or reconcile the kinky activities from neighbors as your guests would be less aware of your relationships with them. There is also the problem of the "tourist" mentality aspect mentioned in the story. You would have little opportunity to screen your guests.
On the other hand, a boarding house situation would probably involve significantly more up-front capital and involve more complex legal and organizational arrangements. Revenues might be more stable as would the "culture" of your boarders. You would also more latitude in pre-screening the people who become part of your home. However, if you get a "bad apple", he/she would tend to be around longer and be harder to get rid of as the laws of domicile would be applicable.
It's a mixed bag in either case and neither is probably the better in all cases. In any case, there are many pitfalls to consider. What are some of the others you can think of?
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Dark (Dark)
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Username: Dark
Post Number: 70
Registered: 12-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:57 pm GMT: |
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lets see a map with the location of all members plotted. |
0x0 (0x0)
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 06-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:45 pm GMT: |
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I must say it's a damn fine idea!
The investment costs would be high - maybe we have a millionaire in our midst? Also it would need to be geographically in an area with a reasonably high density of rubberists. Might take commitment from a dozen or so to get it moving and, as mentioned, a good lawyer.
(I don't qualify on either count  )
Nevertheless, the barter idea would seem in principal to be a runner, although I hate to thing what a paying guest might be charged!
Anyone out there qualify?
(PS - Spell Checker works fine!)
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Admin (Admin)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:21 pm GMT: |
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Someone pointed out in a previous thread that a "boarding house" could also be done in a city where the neighbors might be a bit more liberal.
In any case there might be all kinds of nusiance laws and legal compliance requirements regarding conducting a "boarding house" such as fire escapes, etc. That also means inspections by fire officials, etc.
It might be a good idea to start out with an excellent lawyer on your side!
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Garlor (Garlor)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 06:09 pm GMT: |
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Well the first point made is location. A friend of mine let out a dungeon to adults in North Scotland. It was in a row of properties. sadly the word got back to the villagers and they kicked up a fuss. By then the place was not being used,but he still got unwelcome attention. I feel the webadvertising was perhaps to much of a temptation for a journalist to make a fast profit.
in contrast the rubberists retreat in Devon has been running for a fair while and is secluded. |
Admin (Admin)
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What about the neighbors? How could you prevent this from becoming a problem? |
Rubberjer (Rubberjer)
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Ataraxia, What you have here is a gold mine just waiting to be dug up, the ideas are already here and they seam to be very feasible. I would love to be part of the "staff" (particularly one of the tv/cd maids or other services) of one of these communions. Also if I may suggest, if you could get several land owners to actually setup one of these communities, and be the managers or such, under a franchise or sub community and would pay a small fee for their part of the rights. at that time there could be a directory of associated franchises made. There are a lot of rubberists out there that do love to travel from place to place, making it their vacations or maybe (by pure coincidents) their group outings. You do have a lot of possibilities with this concept. If I had the money and location availability, I would almost beg for a part in this idea, but for now I would be the happiest cd rubberist just to be part of the "staff". rubberjer- a rubberist for life |
Admin (Admin)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 01:52 pm GMT: |
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Quoting jbear:
Quote:The advantage to being in a city is privacy. 20 Rubberists on a "farm" in rural somewhere will draw a lot of attention. 20 staying in a townhouse in the middle of a city won't even be noticed. Unless you leave the shades up.
I suppose one could even do this in an apartment house, though you'd have to rent a VERY large apartment!
The point is that one could probably set up an Atarax House just about anywhere and on any scale. To make a living from it would require a fairly large scale, but even if you just had a few "roommates", that would be a start.
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ataraxia
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Blackice
Rubber Land
Hi All,
I was the first western journalist to penetrate the walls of the self styled city state of dominate women called 'The Other World Kingdom'
Article appeared in Skin Two a few years back.
They had bought up an old castle and and turned it and the surrounding court yeard + other buildings into this SM themed environment.
Very interesting idea, no idea where the money came from to do it and wasn't much imagination involved.
I think they have a website up somewhere now.
M
PS: Someone pointed out to me that Domme's develop "Domme's Disease' which is basically taking themselves to seriously.....
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Rubberking
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Posts: 29
Hummm.
I agree with jbear that complete setups can be bought in the country for less than in cities and in the country people are getting used to seeing "bed and breakfasts" springing up of many kinds.
a place could be procured complete with house, outbuildings and a verrity of enjoyable activities (walking in the woods, mudlarking in streams and ponds, household activities (staff positions, situational games, guest houseing and "schools" (complete with teaching instructors) in just about any form)for the partisapants. some could pay their way and others earn their keep from the propritor for the duration of their stays.
security fencing, intervention zones, sensors and cameras and walls could protect the privicy of guests and staff with
a modest investment and when off property, guests and staff could contribute to the community surrounding the facility by shopping, dining and sight-seeing. that would help the busniess to become accepted by their neighbors (although the people involved would have to keep "mum" about the goings on inside the (and I hate to use this word with all it's connitations) compound when they were outside so as to keep things from geting out of hand with the locals.
in cities it's true that buildings cost more and you get less, but if more than one opperation was in busniess, guests and staff could rotate back and forth and keep things fresh and allow for a more varried envroment and experance for everyone. (you could go from one guesthouse in the city, where shopping was easier and the dining more verried. to the country where more outdoor activities were avalable and so on)
and of course, one facility could pave the way for others of it's kind and pay for the next facility to be aquired and so on until there were "houses" in places throughout the country and so on.
love this idea. with so many heads, we should be able to put together enough needed fields of industry (legal, capital, aquasition, travel, building and maintance, management, ect.) that this could become a viable concept with only a little coordenation and effort on our part.
keep those ideas coming everybody!
Rubberking
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JBear
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Location
City or close in suburb would be really expensive.
There are still large tracts of land reasonably close to "civilization" that can be had for "cheap" prices. As an example: you can buy a townhouse in Manhattan for $2 million and get a 25' wide five floor house with a small back yard.
Or you could buy a 115 acre "farm" in Vermont with a seven bedroom house, barn, garage, pool, tennis court, and 5,000 bottle wine cellar for $1.75 million. (If you're interested I know the owner who's trying to sell it).
The advantage to being in a city is privacy. 20 Rubberists on a "farm" in rural somewhere will draw a lot of attention. 20 staying in a townhouse in the middle of a city won't even be noticed. Unless you leave the shades up.
Of course mudlarking in Manhattan is more difficult. So is tying your catsited lovedone to a tree in Central Park.
An ideal rural location should be no more than four hours drive from a hub airport, less is better. And as strange as this sounds, there should be other attractions in the area. Such as good restaurants, movies, shops.
Also, what do you do with novices? Someone who's interested in becoming a Rubberist but isn't willing to invest in the gear? Do you have a stock on hand? How much do you invest in inventory?
If you're thinking about a little consentual bondage and/or S&M you have to very carefully screen guests. I live in Massachusetts where a wooden spoon is a sextoy.
And what about a guest who desides to play with another unrelated guest? Does your locality consider that you're pandering since you've charged them money?
As expensive as it may initially sound a city location might be better all around.
The way to handle the cost, for any scheme, is to set up a condo or time-share corporation.
2000 members at $1,000 each, it's real money!
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BlackStar
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EU Farming Regulations
I too have had ideas about setting up a rubberist farmhouse.
I grew up in a farming area, and have creamed a few bob out of the Common Agricultural Policy in my time. Under current EU rules, you can get a "Set-aside" grant for taking a farm out of food production and using it for "Alternative Purposes". Purposes don't come much more alternative than ours!
That only helps of course if you are setting up in Europe!
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marquis
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A good start. We hope to see more. Need to setp up the bondage... and earn more points.
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ataraxia
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Could probably work in a city, too!
(replying to Rubberking's message)
Now that I think about it, there's probably no particular reason why a Rubberist boarding house would necessarily have to be in the country. A large, old city dwelling with lots of rooms could probably, work, too.
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Rubberking
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Hi Ataraxia.
great idea, and one i've been playing with myself for some time now. the ultimate rubberist's getaway, sigh.
but it would take money (of course) and the proper remote location, (don't want the locals tounges wagging)perhaps a string of them around the globe would work out better (with a "mother chapter" house directing such things as the budgets, legal problems, avalibility of space Ect.)
but first things first, it would have to be a large place, totally self-contained (own well, septic, phone lines for those that could conceviably work from "home" and close enough to a major city that those that couldn't could commute if they needed to) i'm sure that there's plenty of workman, carpenter types, plumbers and financal planners that this could become a reality if we put time and our minds to it.
let me offer my services as Secruity officer and grounds maintance man (i have been a carpenter, landscaper, mechanic, locksmith and a few other things) i've unfortunatily had to live in the country before and am used to dealing with locals that think "something wierd it happening out there on the farm" and know that for any community to prosper, it has to get along with it's neighbors.
there is also the proliclivities to ourselves to be addressed in relationship with wherever you would like to build this "Oneida" colony. i for one, would love to have a vacation place like this (though i doubt i could afford room and board as i still don't make much in RL)
i'd be very currious as to wither this could actually work out, though with help from all our friends in the IAR it could easily be made a "Dream come true."
Rubberking.
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palatexlady
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Ataraxia, I absolutely love this story !! You've got everything in here !!
As for a workable plan, yes, I'd say so, a bed and breakfast or a boarding house for rubberists would be doable. When you inherit and buy that house, let me know, I'll be one of your transgender maids :-) |
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