make a 1.5 mm neoprene suit lined with what they call "oceanliner." I entend to order one of these as by all accouns it feels like super fine latex but smoother.
make a 1.5 mm neoprene suit lined with what they call "oceanliner." I entend to order one of these as by all accouns it feels like super fine latex but smoother.
hello to everyone on the board. im a newbie here. and not exactly sure where to put this, so i figured i'll throw it here, (if this is a wrong place let me know and i will repost in the right one)
ok, well now that that is all out of the way
I was wondering about the prosses of making a custome "wetsuit" its not realy a wetsuit, but i am looking to have a full leg, full sleeve suit made out of white neoprene. if anyone know of anyplace that might be able to do this, or if anyone has any idea what i might look forward to it costing, i would realy aprecaiste the help
elio sub aquatics might do it..look around there site..very nice..pricy though..but probably well worth it.
I have a pair of neoprene jeans. actually its the 2nd pair now as i wore the others into the ground. I had to find the material and then get E-Garbs to make them up.
The first pair were much more foamy compared to the new ones but both neoprene with fabric backing.
Firestone's roofing rubber usually comes in .060" non- reinforced and .045" reinforced. There is another manufacturer as well named Carlisle that makes roofing material in the same thicknesses. If I remember right it's EPDM rubber. Any building material dealer should have it or know where to send you to get it but the smallest roll I have ever seen is 10 feet by 100 feet and about 400 pounds of weight. Carlisle used to make a black glue for gluing laps but that was phased out in about 1997-8 in favor of seam tape, super thin, adhesive on both sides. Actually more like a 5 inch wide band of super thin adhesive you would roll out then peel off the backing paper. I spent 4 years doing industrial roofing working with the stuff and have a quite a few feet of the .060" left to play with after roofing my own garage. Yes, it will make fantastic bondage gear. I intend to work with it like leather but glue and not sew things or rivet as it does stretch enough that it would even let keyposts slip out.
As for remnants, check the phone book for local roofing contractors and if they have short lengths left over. They might be willing to part with it for a couple dollars as they can't do much with a small piece.
Is anyone aware of any firms who fabricate fetish garments (catsuits, leggings, etc.) that may be suitable for someone with a latex allergy?
I suspect the real challenge here is to find alternative kinds of rubber which have the same general look, feel and stretchiness of latex but without the alergenes.
I know there are some sources of bathing caps, etc. in silicone rubber, but I am looking more for larger, more complex garments such as catsuits, etc.
Silicon is much cheaper than latex, and you can only glue it with itself, and it takes too long to cure.
Then the stretch does not come near latex and has a neutral smell.
They already use it extensively in the medical field, like colostomy bags and tubing, all silicone today, not so pourus and is medically safer.
But the feel would not be the same.
I can not agree in your description of silicon rubber. My black Speedo swimming cap is made of nice and thick silicon rubber that is stretchy, doesn't stick and even has a nice, light rubbery smell. I wish they at least could make swimming briefs, shorts, bikinis and swimsuits from this stuff.
Few days ago I was swimming at a pool in a leisure centre with my cap and latex shorts under my regular short swimming boxers as I really dislike the wet fabric against my skin, and next to me was a lady with bright blue Speedo silicon swimming cap. How I would love to have swimming briefs in that colour. And if they made it with the Speedo logo on it that would be the best x-mas present for me!
That's how I like to go swimming if it is not too crowded:
Lx8, your disagreement holds no evidence, where do you get sheet thin silicone, how do you glue it, into making fetish gear.
You can only mould it, and that cuts most of the rubberist activities out, for moulding is far to expensive.
Trust me for years they have been trying to make artificial leather, and still nothing is the same as the genuine article.
This like trying to find hens teeth, they do not exsist.
I am selling original Mono Lisa paintings, how many would you like, :lol .
Veeeery funny Spirit,
In fact, well moulded swimming briefs or boxer shorts were on my mind. When a cap can fit and stay on my head, I assume that briefs can fit and stay on my butt. Even a ladies bikini or swimsuit could be made by moulding. It was this type of garmetns that was on my mind.
Silicone sheet is available in 1mm thickness commercially.
this has been a question for me lately as i am concerned about my body oils and gases ruining my latex. I am new to all of this so the idea of latex vs silicone does not matter to me and since silicone seems less fragile i am all for it.
below is a post that i have made other places, maybe this will help a few of you out, i do not have the time to try this at the moment.
here are some links that i found on the subject
it seems that although silicone might not be toxic, the curing agents used to produce it may or may not be. one of the links is of a guy that was using silicone swim caps as a "breathe control meditation" device he calls a resonator. he had some toxicity issues with breathing air directly from within the swim caps. i would think that might be dangerous with any material for as long as he was doing it, but i think he does have a point, and there does seem to be a difference between "medical grade" and industrial gasket silicone.
i suspect this will be some decent reading for you, let me know what you think, or if you find anything? one thing is for sure, it seems that silicone is at least 4 times the life of latex, and if used properly, will have an indefinite life, products from baby bottle to dildos, to catheters use silicone because it can be cleaned in boiling water for sterile use.
silicone seems to be naturally slick compared to latex that is naturally sticky. you may be able to wear silicone with-out talc powder or lube. silicone has a natural shine to it and is smoother than latex. it has better stretch properties and can be lubed with oil.
the down side to this great product is it is much more expensive, the only prices i could find without a quote sold silicone sheets for 12"x12" .4mm at 36 pounds a sheet; which i think is near 70$ per sq ft. other prices i have found show it selling in rolls for 13.5$ a foot for .8mm translucent silicone sheeting, or 44$ a yard. some vendors sell .8mm for nearly 80$ per yard. so i guess it all depends on how much you need.
it also seems that silicone and latex rubber can be glued together, and so it maybe possible to use silicone in high stress areas, or areas that might need more chemical durability. the curing process also seems to be longer, and will not work with sulfur. which may explain its greater expense to manufacture. to me it sounds like a definite option for something that people spend thousands of dollars on.
future fabrics, for multimedia
Hollywood special effects artist that uses silicone for mask/props
more supplier links
supplier in chicagoland
California supplier with prices
Does anyone have any idea of what percentage of the latex sheet goods produced by 4D (for example) end up as latex clothing? And what are the other typical uses for sheet goods (colors)... aside from things like dental dams?
I have to disagree with the comment that silicone and latex can be glued together, I assure you they cannot, at least not with the conventional adhesives used in the the manufacture of latex clothing.Quote:
Originally spoken by zyenthetic
I have been experimenting with the concepts of electrical stimulation devices incorporated into rubberwear, and the idea is now copyright so no stealing,lol.
Part of my research has involved the joining of electrically conductive silicone and natural latex sheet and the two just wont bond together. Even after considerable roughening the surface of the silicone is still too slippery and simply will not bond securely and permanently to the latex.
I'm currently sourcing a supply of conductive natural latex rubber for use in my designs.
from what i have read, if you use adhesives for silicone, it will bond to latex also; adhesives for latex will not usually work for silicone because of it's inertness.
I will try to make some time to find something on the web, but i have no experience with making latex clothes.
I have contacted laura, from vex clothing about making silicone clothing and she has yet to get back to me after her initial interest, so it looks like i need to become the expert in silicone manufacture. I hope to place a few orders early next year to determine what is out there, but i do not have time now to get into it, with the holidays and all.
Just to get the links that I have provided took about 30 hours worth of effort. I will keep at it though.
I have purple PVC pants from lip service with a nylon liner as you say. The nylon liner works great in the cold - I was out in public today at about about -15C with the wind chill and it was a bit cold but the wind blowing could not penetrate so was great fun. The nylon liner keeps air inside when you have hairy legs making more insulation as well.
But when I'm playing with it I wear it inside out and its great fun... but it don't stretch like latex! I think that's what people want.. they want it to drape, hug and stretch like latex so can't see PVC (actually PU) that viable. :cheeky-smiley-016:
Also I think sweating in latex is more fun (or tolerable) than PVC too.
I enjoy mixing all sorts of clothes and materials vary.For example I have a neoprene swimsuit which is matched with shiny pvc coated briefs.
If you like the shine then PVC always attracts.
previously this material was talked about in the form of a roofing supply, where it was too thick and bulky (1.1-1.9 mm) to be of use. recently, i discovered EPDM in the form of a pond liner. in this form, it is only .45-.60 mm thick, and, theoretically, much more suitable to use to make various items.
May I put in another 'plug' for Malaysian rubber ? I re-stocked this week with a couple of pairs of boxers from SBR and 'Hallelujah' - they finally sorted out the smell problem !! The new shorts have no odour at all when cold and just a very mild latex scent (sort of milk chocolate) when warm.
Although not suitable for tight fitting garments, it's ideal for loose stuff and, since it glues perfectly to latex, could be part of a mix & match design.
I discovered this interesting site... but it seems to be targeted to the transgen communitty.
However, their product which may interest others is their dipped once piece body suit... which could become a catsuit with arms added. it is not clear if their present offering as arms. Perhaps they will offer other products?
The product is ultra stretchy silicone so one size can fit anyone from 65" to over 72". Sounds interesting and might make a great opaque catsuit. For the TG and Doll community this might be exactly what they are looking for... a second female skin to climb into.
Is it hype? Who knows
Dark, I did E-Mail them and asked for more info, as the whole outfit costs around $3000. a whole lot of money for something that looks to good to be true.
Well the response was brief and they claim it is far superior to latex and is a whole new ball game.
Now I would have thought that this body suit looks absolutely perfect and would have taken a huge amount of effort to produce, why then the pathetic reply to my inquiery.
You are not the first person to contact them with inquires and feel perplexed at the claim without even photos to support it. That does strike me as odd. However, it is certainly possible to do such products in silicone and sooner or later someone will, if these people havent already.
Perhaps they are gauging interest but not into production etc. They mount up a site (inexpensive) almost like a proposal, and see how serious the demand is before commiting to actually producing the stuff. That would be my sense if they are serious. If they had made these items, even some quickie digital pics would go a long way toward influencing someone to fork over their cash.
Interesting how important digital photography has become BECAUSE it is so cheap and accessible. There is no excuse to NOT having pictures these days. I suspect LadyII might be caught in that trap because she could easily get many snapshots of her in the many public situations she discribes. Anyone can slap on a burqa and take pics at home or super impose one standing in front of a mountain or castle with photoshop these days. Digipix... a whole new standard!
The Femskin idea is interesting,I think the reason for the abscence of pics is that its into the realm of special effects work. By that I mean that a good amount of skill is needed to produce the end effect when the femskin is used as part of an over all look. It will take time and a good image maker to produce a result which backs up the high cost of the items.
S. Bucks and lovely stuff it is.
Some time ago I came across a manufacturer, in Malasia, of what appeared to be the same items (and lost the URL!) but at that time they only seemed to sell in large quantities.
Given the size of the Malasian rubber industry, the high costs of setting up a sheet rubber plant and the greater use of rubber for rainwear in Asia there must be a larger demand than just for people like us. There must be lots of people in Malasia who are making up and selling rubber clothing; and in different designs too. Maybe the smaller outfits do not have an internet presence. I wonder . . . must do another search - on google this time.
I have always been kind of biases towards neoprene wet suits.I found them to be highly rewarding,as I scuba dive also I have been able to make some of my dive adventures with a new "buddy" highly rewarding.Do remember to was the suit at least every month with a good wetsuit shampoo though to prevent neoprene breakdown and the formation of mould and such inside.
Hello again ,
add to the alternatives , a silicone compound made by "smooth on""smooth on"G M YFroogle it is softish , clear/translucent, very stretchy silicone rubber. comes in a 2 part kit , mixes 1:1.
I have molded parts from the material , and poured a small , thin sheet for a project, unfortunately I havent had time to try it for fetishwear yet.
has anyone had occasion to conduct gummicology research on this stuff?
seems to hold some promise
i got my EPDM pond liner yesterday, and it is about what i expected, about 30 lbs. of industrial rubber. the one quibble that i have with it is that it has a chalky coating on its surface.
i've got two questions. one, will it go away with soap and warm water? and two, how will the EPDM react to being chlorinated?
and this one is of the chalky surfact that is present:
UPDATE: i have found some thing that will bond silicone-to-silicone.
it comes in 3 colors and transparent. you can find it here.
i hope to give it a go soon.
the next concern, is finding the right shore hardness to try, with the right thicknesses for silicone. the options found below range from 30-80 shore and are usually .8mm thick, but this site claims that you can order .3mm thickness with 40 shore. the only downside is that i think it only comes in red.
from what i can tell, silicone is very dye-able and can take on any panetone/RAL colour but only during manufacture/ curing. i am curious if this pans out, if the added expense of silicone over latex will fade as a concern over its projected durability.
what does the group think, would you pay 2x or 4x for a garment if you did not have to worry about what to wash it with, uv light or for that matter leaving it in the back of your car/ garage on a hot sunny day?
silicone has a range up to 220c/450f-550f which is why it is starting to be used in cookware. it does not discolor or stain, it will not stretch-out from what i have read. small punctures seem to self heal, etc... it just seems like a much better replacement for latex all around. are there any other concerns out there?
zyenthetic, there is kust one problem, silicone does not feel like rubber, and I am working with it at the moment, it has tremendous stretch qualities and has a memmory like you cannot believe as well as very strong.
Found that it feels sticky all the time, although cured, but do not like the feel of it one bit, and would not go down that road myself.
Still there is no other material that has the feel of latex, with all it,s manufacturing difficulties, is still the best to wear, that is why it is so popular.