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I don't think the problem is with kinky people moving to the next stage with some of this stuff, but I take your point.
Hi to All
According to this article http://www.metrotime.be/nlnewsbelga....lexid=50608390 , Mistress Lucrezia no longer has to stay in jail and has been set free a day after the reconstruction took place.
She still has to go to court.
clearly the reconstruction (!) was conclusive in the matter. It would be nice to find out why they approached it in this way...
Since the incident occured in my home country, and thus it's easier to read the local newspapers (in dutch) ... some points, without the ambition of trying to be either complete or objective;
(a) i do not read the dozens of newspapers and/or magazines which took the generic belga news agency information (belga is the belgian version of reuters, AFP, ...), so this is only based on a fragment of the overall media coverage;
(b) my information is also taken from the media, without any direct confirmation or additional information from any official source ...
but, as said, some points:
1. our national media coverage is 'factual' ... it reports on "a death in the villa of sm-mistress Lucrezia" ... both the title and the content of all the articles I read was very nuanced and much more factual than for example the coverage in some of the British media ... see for example The Sun, where they mention sadist, pervert, extreme abuse, etcetera.
2. from a legal point of view, the case also is interesting. since the reaction of the judicial authorities is based on national penal code, this cannot be transposed to other countries, but the 'logic' in the case is interesting.
SM is not an illegal activity in belgium as long as 'consenting addults' are involved. purely in principe restraining or causing pain in a fellow human being, is punishable because it is 'assault and battery', but the belgian legislator clearly makes a destinction between the case of violence vs bdsm.
ms lucrezia and her assistant have not been charged because they practiced sm (or any fetish activity), including 'breath play', but because they:
(a) used techniques/instruments which rendered the participant so impotent/uncapable of expressing his will ('stop', or any other wish) that there was no longer a case of 'consenting' play;
(b) in addition - in belgium - the possession and use/administration of N2O is a medical act, and anybody involved with that should have a license to perform medicine. which was not the case for the two ladies.
3. so summarizing point 2, the base case of the prosecutors' office is that sm is not an illegal act, but that the ladies involved performed the acts with insufficient 'consumer/client protection', which in this case lead to the death of the client. as such one could say that if this case comes to trial, that it will not be a case against kink, but it will be a case for more precautions and more quality management by the people who are presumed to be doing this in a professional manner.
4. in a follow-up on earlier news articles, there was an article in most belgian newspapers yesterday,
stating that the two ladies had been released from prison, following a reconstruction / re-enactment of the events earlier this week.
the prosecutor's office had requested and obtained their detention during the investigations, to prevent them from (a) having contact with each other and (b) to prevent communication with third parties.
during the reconstruction, the versions of the two mistresses were compared, since both were asked to explain and do the actual acts separately.
the two ladies have been released from custody and newspapers reported in the same article that they will be (or have been) charged with "voluntary and pre-mediated assault and battery leading to death, but without the intention to kill".
... given the delays in our court system ... it might take some time before there actually will be a trial.
5. referring also to my first point, yesterdays' article was in the top five of most read articles in virtually every newspaper. based on website reactions, the case however does not cause any large scale public disapproval or other negative reactions.
if there is no risk that the suspects will flee, if they pose no direct threat to society, and if a trial cannot be planned at short notice, suspects are released (with or without bail).
the reason for the detention - as the newspapers report it, but it is most likely correct - was merely to prevent the two ladies having contact with each other and with the outside world.
in their initial statement to the police, they had testified that the victim had been alive after the session, and probably died of a heart attack taking a shower before returning home.
after questioning (and probably being confronted with the facts from the autopsy) the ladies changed their story and admitted that the victim had died during the session, that they had panicked, that they had dragged the body to the shower, and they called 112 with the foney story.
the investigators wanted the two ladies separated, and asked them independently and whithout the two being in the same room, to re-enact the fatal session, as a way of establishing coherence or contradictions in their stories.
Oof, a lot to say here...
First, thank you ET for the translations and extra information, definitely very helpful.
Clearly, we need to get our act together. (and note, these aren't "evil dominatrixes" doing this, it's rubberists doing it to themselves...)
"I know panicking is a very human reaction, and it's always hard to predict how people will react in an emergency. That being said, any pro-domme should have a "what if shit hits the fan" plan. Older men DO have heart attacks in similar circumstances, it can happen! They should be able to do CPR/first aid and they should call the ambulance *right away*.
I would even go as far as say they should have a defibrillator on the premises. Modern defibrillators are very advance and user friendly - they can scan the patient's heart, and tell you (with voice commands!) what to do, if a shock is needed etc
In fact, anyone who does any kind of serious bondage scenes should have an emergency plan."
(stand by for more... )
Last edited by Observer; 2010-Jul-10 at 16:46.
While this is a tragedy, let's not make a catastrophe out of it. I think this has a lot less to do with "extreme sadism" or "mental unbalance" or "evil money hungry dominatrixes" than it has to do with breathplay, the use of NO2/poppers, and older men not slowing down.When someone declares themselves an extreme sadist and one of their partners dies, it hard to deny intent to cause harm isn't it? Obviously as long as no one is seriously or fatally injured no criminal activity can be alleged or perhaps discovered. But does this make the activity's intent any different? I don't see this going away and only a series of tragedies occurring for the foreseeable future.
This is very troubling.
In fact, I think the lying may be more along the lines of a dominatrix trying to make herself look more "extreme" than she is to attract more clients.
Once again, this story is NOT about extreme sadism. I think that yes, having our shit together is a good thing, but I don't like how you're assembling it.