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    Default The Rubberman Guide

    It shows how some things remain fully in the closet. I put the term ""The Rubberman Guide" into both Google and Yahoo and got no results at all. Of course we all know that there are many internet resources in respect of being a rubberman. But they are dotted here and there, confused at times with an excess of unrestrained pornography: which probably is too much for the average rubber guy who signs on here. I've been becoming a rubberman for over quarter of a century now and hope I may carry on to the final rubber climax for a while yet. I know I have not posted for a while but IAR has been extremely helpful and re-assuring over the years. Some day it would be good if a site/publication evolved which simply focussed on the straightforward yet complex (so paradoxical) challenge of becoming a rubberman.

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    Well, the bag of the smallpipes creeps out and up ye arm, man!

    And then I went to check, to see if somebody switched your "Sister Clean" settings on for you, which you should check because although I don't get that book, I do get quite a lot including an episode of the cartoon version of the Wizard of Oz from way on back in 1961 when Dorothy ends up in Rubberland and meets the Rubber Man...

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    ah but did you have the inverted commas in the search?

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    What is a Rubberman and what does being/becoming mean to you? I mean as opposed to just having a fetish for rubber.
    I alone am in a state of insurrection.

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    Quote Originally spoken by Betty LaBamba View Post
    What is a Rubberman and what does being/becoming mean to you? I mean as opposed to just having a fetish for rubber.
    Betty asks the question and so I should reply. The focus must be on why I chose Rubberman and not Rubberperson or Rubberbeing. I could not have said Rubberwoman for a simple physical fact. That is not to say that I would'nt read The Rubberwoman Guide with great interest. Those who know me might be surprised that I did not say The Rubberperson guide. Quite apart from Rubber and as someone with some Christian sympathies, I am someone who thinks we should get beyond gender preferences and that in my biased eyes that is what the Trinity is all about. The precedence of relationship over gender, but that is something of another debate. Within the body of rubber writing, there is much right across the spectrum from raw pornography to more reflective pieces that shows rubber loving in a gender bending light. My experience of becoming a rubber lover is that it has helped bend my own preferences. Yet when all is said and done, I remain a man and presumably will do on this planet. I experience rubber as a man and this thread got going because in an idle moment I keyed in "The Rubberman Guide" into Google and got no returns. Those inverted commas are important. Yes the idea of the Rubberman is well recognised. There is frequently a connection between the Rubberman and gay rubberists. For me The Rubberman Guide would include that but also a bit more. It would literally be a resource for the Rubberman, the male of the species of whatever preference who want to live in Rubber. Living in Rubber not necessarily 24/7 at all, though that may be the fantasy or even for a few the near reality. For me being and growing as a Rubberman has two distinct components. The physical and the spiritual. I will repeat here elements of things said before. I have found that by literally wearing rubber and by participating in fora like this, my tolerance of other's differences has grown. I experience rubber as a visually beautiful flexible bending changing force. When I wear my rubber I feel completely different. I feel that my body is energised by the material, not just small bits of it but all of it. It also serves to connect me to some deeply carnal/corporeal/elemental (choose your adjective) force within and beyond me. When I am completely rubbered, I find myself more in tune with planet Rubber than planet Earth. Something on a universal scale. Now all of this is quite grandiose, you may or may not click with it. But I am simply trying to describe what I feel. My Rubberman Guide might have space to develop this. But my Rubberman Guide would also be deeply practical. Men do have some differences to women. Some physical ones but also matters that affect the being more deeply. My hunch is that the difference between the male and female orgasm is a very big difference. I have found that the Rubber helps to diffuse the male orgasm, to make it more feminine. Such that perhaps (and conversations here have helped focus this) the male orgasm can become more feminine, something that lasts longer and embraces the whole person more fully than an exploding moment at the tip of the penis. So a Rubberman Guide may be about how rubber takes a man beyond only the orgasmic. Some rubbermen I have chatted to have found that the rubber has drawn them to chastity. Yet the male orgasm is precious to many men and I would expect the Rubberman Guide to deal in some detail with the male orgasm in rubber. How sheath briefs are used. How restraint in rubber can work. How the material can hold and caress and stimulate whilst frustrate all in one take. How the male in rubber can learn to endure. How the rubber persuades its lover to accept the unexpected. For me this has meant the discipline, the hood and the dildo. That took time for sure I can promise you. The Rubberman Guide would also need considerable context about the gay rubberman and about how special the gay rubberman is to those who find that path. In a different direction The Rubberman Guide could examine rubber in straight relationships and the old conumdrum: what happens if the pull of rubber becomes stronger than the pull of the person one is with? One reason why I feel The Rubberman Guide could rapidly become a tome to itself is that as my musings may show, it can explore an awful lot of ground. It certainly will not offer one set pattern of answers. At times it would be quite a dry volume as it sought to offer some tools by which men try to take their own responsible directions, that itself is a challenge when a material as demanding as rubber has come calling. For sure I think it would also involve some very explicit experiential writing. Perhaps like Elise Sutton and her Fem Dom volumes it could marry referenced reflection and explicit testimony.

    Betty: does this give you some feel about what I am about? It would be a guide women could read with interest too. And if it was illustrated it could be a work of art. My core point however is where presently do I find a Guide doing all this? There may be one but if it is out there it is not called "The Rubberman Guide".

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    lslv with his reference to the Latexa tag line seems to be acknowledging a more traditional notion of rubber as a fetish... that is it is something which has become associated with and perhaps required for a strong positive mind body erotic/sexual experience. Having come to terms with his fetish... that is it's power to influence his sexuality he *submits* to this, accepts, embraces it and has turned rubber into a formalized *devotional* erotic practice. I am not passing judgment here. I am trying to describe where he is going.

    In my reading about BDSM practice, it appears that most of it is driven by sexual energy or involves sex at some point and at some level. It seems that for BDSM practitioners vanilla sex... whatever that actually is.. is woefully inadequate and limiting. However BDSM seems to open up the possibility of all sorts of sense experiences which become mind body experiences... ir these practices had a more expansive meaning and are often framed in a power exchange dynamic or a control dynamic. Even lslv refers to the notion of submitting to a rubber fetish for the transcendent experiences it offers.

    Does one submit to something when one avails themselves of its benefits or attributes? Do I submit to the taste of lobster when I order it in a restaurant? Or am I simply consuming something which tastes better than say carrots?

    Most of my reading about the BDSM arts reveals that most people seem to believe that their *kink* or interest in BDSM arts (in ehatever form or practice) originated very early on in their lives.. childhood is the time period most often cited. Many people note that even later in life they feel something is missing, they are not actualized and search around and discover the formal world of BDSM practices. And before they jump in peering at the genre they feel it clicks with their essential nature. Much of the BDSM arts is rooted in sense play, impact play and so forth... not unlike sex itself... which involves the intimate engagement of our bodies in search of a sexual experience, arousal and orgasm. Sexual experiences like many mind body ritual practices are just that... experiences of mono focus on some sort of goal achievement.

    Can erotic / sexual experiences be more than simply erotic pleasure? I suppose it depends on the the mind involvement. What does one's mind typically do each moment? It processes information from the environment or it engages in non real thought... memories or fantasies... or projections of some future event. So we can choose to put out attention to what our body is experiencing. Latexa is telling you that slip these on and you will notice lots of good feelings. Why? Because the rubber experience is a very non transparent one... it is very *in your face* which demands your attention. All your senses... or more than usual are firing off telling your mind ME ME ME... Your sensory nervous system is under assault by these experiences in a typically pleasant way.. the tight compression over your entire skin...especially as in the case of Latexa, your genitalia... but it be your face and head. These are NOT typical experiences we associate with our clothing. Things we wear are meant to be transparent and maintain a sort of homeostasis for our bodies... they provide comfort... but little more. We have other things ton do that have our clothing take our attention. Fetish attire is completely the reverse. It DEMANDS our attention and it does so because it offers what are basically pleasurable ie non uncomfortable experiences. In fact many refer to this as *dressing for pleasure*.

    This notion of that we can dress for something other than transparent comfort becomes the practice of fetish. We can then dress to provide a mind body experience with intent. It is not different than submitting your body to the hands of a masseuse. It is a purposive act of engaging many of the senses... mostly the pressure sensitive ones of your body's skin in what is closely associated with and analogous to the sexual experience. It's pretty hard to have a sexual experience with the involvement of the body's sensory nerves. But not impossible. The mind in its imaginary world can cause actuall physical responses in the body... erotic thoughts, wet dreams and so forth with produce physical responses. Many involved in the BDSM arts enjoy the notion of reprogramming or remapping the body's sexual responses... even getting one person to produce a response on command. Why this is desired is another discussion. But what we can see that the BDSM arts and fetish is clearly about engaging the mind body response and amplifying the mind body connection.

    So a Rubberman's Guide... isn't this about saying...hey... rubber is a sense material you can tightly (in most cases) enclose your entire body in and it offers an mind body (and sexual like) experience of intensity you do feel with regular clothing. And it is precisely because rubber clothes have very specific menu of attributes not found in any other material. But not everyone will find this attribute positive.. Some will find them neutral or even negative. But most people seem to find compression on the skin a positive feeling.

    This all is not that mysterious or even magical when approached rationally and clinically. It's hardly any different in process than understanding how the intake of alcohol affects the mind body. So perhaps we need to not redefine the terminology to be BDSM arts and science.

    It's the mind body thing and getting to understand it... isn't it?

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    This is indeed a very interesting concept... As perhaps is the *magic* many seek and some experience in the BDSM arts. What IS this all about?

    For some this is about some sort of non normal experience, transcendent, cathartic, a transporting or a transformation of sorts where practitioners achieve some sort of desired neurophysiological response.

    The underlying assumption is that our normal state... is somewhat inadequate or insufficient... that there exists various practices which can over come this insufficiency and have us experience our true potential... which is meant to be more rewarding than something less.

    If we were to say just look at the human sexual response we can study it to understand how it works. It can perhaps even be measured. Of course there are individual variations as we have individual physiologies and histories/experiences. But patterns do emerge and frankly what other way is there to evaluate anything unless against some yardstick?

    In the example of sex we might see it as a process which has phases which blend one into another. The mind body begins in a state of no sexual tension or arousal. At best one might imagine that the mind body exists in this state as potential for a sexual experience. This is unlike imagining some future experience... skiing, eating... and having a mental image of the experience. Perhaps some can even induce the actual mental experience without the actual physical experience being present. In any case, we can and do to some extent understand how the sexual experience works with us... and within others... again taking into consideration of individual differences including gender, age, social standing, education, health and so forth. Lots of variables here.

    An assumption here is that people are *sex positive*... that is this is a desired activity and the responses associated with the practice of sex leads to a positive change in one's mind body experience.

    So what IS the rubberist experience? What is the mind body experience? What is/are the responses associated with the practice of rubber leads to a positive change in one's mind body experience? Obviously there will be no one size fits all answer here. But can we begin by identifying what we are dealing with?

    What does wearing rubber do to the mind body?

    If we can identify what it does, can we then not *engineer* design or plan the optimal experience? (again taking into account individual differences)

    Is rubber practice something which any person can learn... like how to ski? If so why? If not why not? If so how?

    In the decades I have been drawn to this material I have seen my own experience and practice evolve. I have also seen that these practices in the aggregate are seen in thousands if not tens of thousands of people. There is something there. What is it?

    Some comment that they simply love the smell of latex... Is that sufficient to drive someone to wear this material? What does it actually mean that someone loves the smell of latex? Is there something about the smell which is a different class of aromas? Does it work like the pheromones do?

    My sense is that there is a basis for a guide to the rubberist experience... both male and female... but before we approach the practice.. which thousands are already engaged in already we need to lay the foundation upon which to erect this *how to manual*... and that involves addressing some of (and more) of the questions above.


    What say you?

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    Shiva says
    The underlying assumption is that our normal state... is somewhat inadequate or insufficient... that there exists various practices which can over come this insufficiency and have us experience our true potential... which is meant to be more rewarding than something less.

    I say I buy that and rubber does it extremely well (there are others as well).

    Shiva says
    Is rubber practice something which any person can learn... like how to ski? If so why? If not why not? If so how?

    I say I don't know about "any person". I think you probably need some predispositions to get it. Can everyone ski? I am not sure I could, at least ski well.

    Shiva spoke about smell. I think natural rubber is odourless? yet the smell's we typically associate with getting rubbered are very strong drivers speaking personally.

    Something I have not said much about: what is rubber? it a particular tree's life force, its sap. I don't think that the Rubberman Guide would underplay that this is about becoming covered in one of nature's more bizarre products and seeing in this some experiential linkage between my life and the bizarre nature of creation, wild and beautiful, unknowable yet knowing, silent yet alive, all sorts of paradoxes and after this fair time spent in rubber's hold, I am convinced it is nothing if not paradoxical and that brings it very close to the heart of existence.

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    The only thing I'm going to warn you about is the risk that once you start working at that level, you're starting to play metaphysically, and that can have its risks: it's why the Christian end of the art are being clear about where we're coming from, as we have access to things we're comfortable in as well as, and indeed integral to, our latex angle, which offers us some protection. Shiva may also have an angle, depending on how far he went with choosing that avatar, and for a more mundane access, contact Blackice, as he also has some interesting viewpoints he hasn't discussed here: some of his external work is valuable. In particular, lest anyone take that term "magic" too literally, beware of modern angles on the thaumaturgic, they are almost all cons, and some are much more dangerous than that.
    Out of courtesy, I sailed straight onto the staff (as a volunteer outsider) of a mainstream theological college a good many years ago, and have just received clearance for one of the top esoteric study centres in the world.
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    Quote Originally spoken by Tom View Post
    The only thing I'm going to warn you about is the risk that once you start working at that level, you're starting to play metaphysically, and that can have its risks.
    That is true. Remember I started this because I was surprised that I could not already find "The Rubberman Guide". I am not saying I am going to write one. I might like too but in the middle of this dratted recession and with a 1000 different ways to work and not be paid?

    My take on The Rubberman Guide would take seriously at some stage what you say. My short answer is that to a degree all religious/spiritual thinking is fantastical. It may/may not encounter truth. The sure answer will be gotten when we die. In the meantime a good answer is The Golden Rule and does becoming a Rubberman help that? For sure I think it can but equally there are rubbermen who are nothing but bullies. My golden rule is slightly rewritten: "in this life do not bully, do not lie". Now I would be lying if I did not admit I have become a rubberman. Rubber has a far greater impact on my life than I could ever have imagined when I donned my first pair of sheath briefs. Strangely enough the old latexa advert has proved to be exactly right "promises unimaginable pleasure". Through rubber I have known an unimaginable pleasure in this earthly life. That may be all there is to it and I will accept that. Maybe there is more? I can honestly say I do not know. But I know this, for me rubberism has never meant becoming a bully. Quite the reverse. It has enhanced submissive tendencies that may have been there anyway. I find it much more easy to surrender when in rubber.
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