PLUMBING Issues (toileting & sustenance)

[2823]

Great account, 2823!Just a couple of further questions ...

What kind of lube do you go for?
How can you tell if you put it too far into the bladder?
Why only pump 20ml into a 30ml cath?
What's the longest practical duration of indwelling?
Is removal painful (deflate first, yeah!), as the lube will have gone?
Can it be sterilised and re-used?
Otherwise - all clear!

Cheers, Gord

Gord:
First of if you want to ask REAL personal questions, send me a message with you e-mail address...NO PROBLEM
OK now I'll try and answer you questions:
First let me say that most of the medical supply house sell what they call a Foley Cath Insertion Kit. It includes a sterile drape,Anti-septic wipe ,sterile gloves,a lube,and a filled syringe.
I use the included lube or K-Y gel
You woun't probably go into the bladder to far ....I figure about 3 inches after the urine flows
Using 20cc in a 30cc doesn't put a strain on the balloon
I usually leave it in up to 4 days. ai wouldn,t start out that way though...Try a little more than 2 days or less until you get comfortable with it
Removal isn't painful at all! Use a twisting motion when withdrawing
I wouldn't re-use one but they say it can be done
Happy to assist
Cheers, Roger :us:

[Vulcanised]

Thankyou to Latex Lady, Gommino_2000 & 2823 for their first hand experiences of the Foley in dweling type of Catheter. With the aseptic protocol exlained, I am feeling brave enough to try again as the possibilities interest me so much.

There seems to be a slight difference of opinion on the subject of ejaculation. As the catheter is going staight to the bladder and bypassing the channel that carry semen/sperm it would seem it must be at least partially blocking it's egress and causing uncomfortable back pressure. But could this depends on the size of the Foley? Maybe it could be comfortable with a very small size of catheter (like a size 12)?

Does anyone have positive experiences with condom-type catheters? Freespirit thought that some condom catheters can be too restrictive to allow for comfortable errection & play. Anyone found one that is comfortable and yet stays safely sealed after several errection/flaccid cycles?

Sealed

[2823]

Thankyou to Latex Lady, Gommino_2000 & 2823 for their first hand experiences of the Foley in dweling type of Catheter. With the aseptic protocol exlained, I am feeling brave enough to try again as the possibilities interest me so much.

There seems to be a slight difference of opinion on the subject of ejaculation. As the catheter is going staight to the bladder and bypassing the channel that carry semen/sperm it would seem it must be at least partially blocking it's egress and causing uncomfortable back pressure. But could this depends on the size of the Foley? Maybe it could be comfortable with a very small size of catheter (like a size 12)?

Does anyone have positive experiences with condom-type catheters? Freespirit thought that some condom catheters can be too restrictive to allow for comfortable errection & play. Anyone found one that is comfortable and yet stays safely sealed after several errection/flaccid cycles?

Sealed

Vulcanized
Yes I have ejaculated numerous times with a Foley in place.The ejaculate comes out around the outside of the catheter and has never been painful...quite the contrary...It felt GOOD,maybe better than a lot of non-catheter ejaculations.
As to using the external (condom type) I find that over a short time...when you go flacid they regularly come un-stuck and come off. Have tried many different types...mostly different styles by Rochester Medical and Mentor. That's why the Bio Derm I spoke about.It does eventually stay on when urinating versus the condom type.

[Vulcanised]

I followed advice and tried a couple of things I ordered from Mediquip. Here are my findings (which obviously only apply to men).

1. Condom type catheter

I found that I had ordered a size that felt very comfortable and worked OK while I was aroused or average sized. Unfortunately, on wearing for longer it did fall off when I went through a period of mundane housework and my penis was at it?s most flaccid.

From what I have seen, some men do seem to have a greater range of penis size (flaccid to erect) than others and this effects the practicality of these external caths. Although condom catheters are not suitable for me, those who can keep them on will probably find them comfortable and convenient.

2. In-dwelling Foley catheters

I followed the protocols and had no problem inserting and fixing in position. I didn?t even get a water infection. It physically functioned perfectly. I didn?t mind losing control and as a urine collection system, it worked without hitch.

I chose the smallest diameter (FG12) as recommended from several sources, in order to make it less uncomfortable. However, to cut a long story short, they are not for me. The ?feel? was bordering on uncomfortable, but I could probably have adapted overtime. On gaining an erection the feel bordered somewhere around discomfort (not exactly painful as such) - again it?s possibly something that I could adapt to.

Ejaculation? Forget it. It was very unpleasant feeling for me, with a pulse of strong burning pain. The sudden release just had nowhere to go and had to force it?s way past the cath. It felt as if it could have been forcibly stretching the urethra. Not good and I wished I believed Sir?s comments reported via Latex Lady.

Removal ? easy. Just use a syringe to deflate the retaining balloon and withdraw. HOWEVER, passing water for the next 12 or so hours was VERY uncomfortable, with a re-run of the intense burning sensation. This did easy fairly quickly once water was passing, but was far from ideal?

Conclusions?

Foleys work and the B ard o-matic is very convenient, but not comfortable for everyone. Every person is built differently and it seems I may have either a small or sensitive urethra.

I still think others should proceed with caution ? if there is any discomfort at all in wearing a catheter with an erection I would not recommend ejaculation. For those who do find it OK to ejaculate with an in-dwelling cath in place, it should be pointed out that the Foley will not collect the semen. And for those who would avoid sexual climax, Foleys are undeniably very effective.

Hope this helps the discussion.

Vulcanised (AKA Sealed)

[latexladyll]

Sealed said:
Ejaculation? Forget it. It was very unpleasant feeling for me, with a pulse of strong burning pain. The sudden release just had nowhere to go and had to force it?s way past the cath. It felt as if it could have been forcibly stretching the urethra. Not good and I wished I believed Sir?s comments reported via Latex Lady.

Sealed,
Perhaps I miscommunicated. Sir would agree with you that ejaculating with the foley fully in place and inflated was quite painful...What I said was that only someone into pain in a big way would enjoy it.

However, he has tried ejaculating several times with the baloon already deflated. Essentially, the ejaculate carries the catheter out of the urethra as it pulses alongside. Thsi senssation, while still a bit painful, Sir found enjoyable.

Or perhaps what YOU said above was that you didn't believe Sir's comments about pain until you tried it?

Either way, yes, male ejaculation around a foley probably counts as one of the more painful ways to stimulate yourself!

Regards
Lady

[Vulcanised]

Lady,

There was no miscommunication on your part. I seemed to have conflicting advice and just chose to take other counsel as it said what I wanted to hear.

Certainly agree with you, ejaculation around a Foley was very painful for me. At least I was forewarned by yourself and knew to prepare myself for what might happen next.

Sealed

[Blackie]

I am content to have zips in my two suits which I wear one over the other, with pants with a sheath under, so that when I undo the zips I am still enclosed.

The pants with sheath and six inch tube for discharge come from Eexpectations and are good value. With the sheath I find that several rubber bands of carefully adjusted tension keep the sheath in place but still permit the passage of urine. Having the penis compressed this way I find pleasurable. This copes with a range of turgidity (good word) of the penis. The sheath just takes a semi-flaccid member with the aid of lube.

If the sheath does come adrift, it is possible without removing the suits to sort it all out. This is not easy with hood etc. but possible.

Of course the zips are not as good as complete enclosure. That has the added advanytage that sweat does not leak out through the zips. I tried complete enclosure and just urinating in the suit, but that is not an attractive idea though it has a certain masochistic pleasure. However, very rapidly smells develop which get out, and the suit needs very careful cleaning afterwards.

Defecation I could if really pressed manage by opening the through zips, but pulling down the pants while they were in the suits would be very difficult - emergency would mean slitting the the pants I am afraid.

Not an advanced solution to urination but practical.

[madone007]

After reading this thread, I will add my 5 cents worth.

I havn't tried the external catheter but have used a Foley catheter for quite some years now.

The longest period that I have warn one for, was for 14 days. It was strange at 1st but after the first few hours I forgot it was there. The only you have to do is to remember to have plenty of fluids, otherwise you can have problems.

Most weekends from Friday evening to Monday morning I have a Foley fitted. I yet to try it with a Full Rubber Suit yet as I am having one made for me, but there is provision made for the Foley & other rubber tubes I have inserted in myself.

I have a Ryles Tube down my nose to my stomach for the fluids going in , the Foley for the fluids going out & Rectal catheter with double ballon, this allows for emema's to be given.

So my Rubber suit will have only 4 tubes in it.
1: for the rebreather bag
2: for the Ryles Tube
3: for the Foley
4: for the rectal

So it will be fully enclosed in rubber.

:uk:

[gommino_2000]

I have been looking for a Yellow Latex collector appliance harness and bag made by Rusche (no longer available in latex / rubber) as used in photos in Marquis Heavy Rubber and by Bizarre Family.

If you have one and would willing to part with it, I would be interested in purchasing it. The picture below show two bags connected to a common hose with the collector appliance above.

Can anyone help?
STEFFY :ca:

Just saw your message. GUWI do something like that. I got one from them, and the only difference I can tell is that it has a fabric waist belt, not a rubber one.

Rob. :uk:

[latexladyll]

Madone

What a wonderful description you offer. As someone who also enjoys somewhat extreme intubation like this, I have a few queries, if you don't mind.

Do you have any trouble keeping your ryles tube inserted for long periods or do you put it in and take it out as needed and used?

Does yours have a luer tip on the end and/or a plug for assured retention?

Have you ever tried a balloon stomach catherter for your feedings?

Do you injest only clear liquids or do you use it for full feedings as well? I am used to milk shakes or pre-digested liquid diets like Ensure being pushed into mine.

What is the longest you have been multiply tubed as you described at the end of your post? You said 14 days for the catheter, but were you rectally and nasally intubated for that period also?

Do you have a partner to feed you? One of my favorite scenes is to be bound helpless while I am fed, watered, emptied, and treated largely as a houseplant.

Have you been gagged while intubated? I typically am in a mouthless helmet while my Ryles tube is installed which adds to the helplessness for me.

Thanks for the imagery and good luck with your new suit
Also, wlecome to the IAR. I notice you are new...you'll like it here

regards
Lady