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Well, that?s weird! Just logged in (which I?m still able to do), and I saw a post on a thread started by me! I had a look, and found I can edit my original post (which I had previously purged).
I don?t know if anyone can read this, so this is by way of a message in a bottle from banishment island - a sort of experiment, if you will. Note that this is an edit of an old post - the posts that follow this one do not relate to this post.
Anyway, is it just me, or has the amount of posting being done dropped a bit? I personally miss Dark's ramblings - I wonder where he's gone.
Well, today is Saturday 28 January, and it's relatively normal on banishment island. I've been busy collecting coconuts and firewood, which has given me the chance to think about what has happened.
My brief self-analysis reveals that Ata's "avenging parent" approach does not sit well with me, and my reactions have been mainly against that "I'm the boss around here" attitude. I have always had a problem with authority figures who tell me what to do, my immediate reaction being, "Why should I?" I have little doubt that a number of you may feel animosity towards me, because I've "spoilt things" and "it will never be the same again". Well, chums, if Ata had not come the heavy parent, censoring what was fair criticism of a supplier (criticism that has been echoed on other sites, I would add), this situation would not have arisen.
Well, as I said, I've though about things, and this is not, for me, a good way to leave it. In my view, there is always a compromise, if you look for it. So, here is my latest mail to Ata, in which I have tried to take a more "Adult" (as in Transactional Analysis) approach. Sorry it's a bit long. This was sent Thursday 26 January at 11.40 am - as of today, 28 Jan at 11.35 am, I have had no reply.
An Olive Branch
I am sorry for the anger that this situation has caused you.
A Way Forward
Where are we?
OK. We have both thrown our toys out of the pram. What now? You may say that it?s no longer a problem. If you do, read no further.
However, if you feel the IAR is so frail that two people can wreck it in 24 hours, then maybe something does need to happen. We both know that it is virtually impossible to ban someone from a site. My wife is on a teachers? website that is so full of personal bile that at least one person gets banned every week. They almost always come back pretending to be someone else, and everyone else spends ages trying to guess who the ?newbie? was in a previous incarnation! It all seems very pointless and silly.
So, I won?t do that.
What do we want?
Values. I hope we both value honesty and integrity ? I hope we both want to see that reflected in what we do.
Interests. My interest is in a site where I can say what I think. Your interest is possibly this, but you also have an interest in making some money in order to survive.
The dispute ? for me, the dispute is about honesty. For you, the dispute is about money. The dispute is therefore more urgent for you than it is for me.
As I mentioned before, I really do not think that libel is an issue here. As you know, most publications that print readers? comments use a simple disclaimer, along the lines of: ?The views stated by our readers are not necessarily those of this newspaper, its Editor or its employees.? Looking at the complaints that people make against suppliers on the site (the ones that are not sponsors, that is) they seem well-founded. There are also either balancing comments from other people, or someone says something like, ?Did you try calling them or writing to them??
So, it comes down to the IAR?s relationship with the sponsors. It does strike me that, if I were a sponsor, the fact that I could get feedback on my product that other enthusiasts will see would be a positive selling point. By denying all opportunity for feedback you are eliminating that selling point. (Negative feedback can also be used positively - research shows that customers whose complaints are successfully resolved are more likely to give positive feedback to their friends). Moreover, by allowing feedback for suppliers who are not sponsors, you are providing a disincentive to sponsorship.
One answer may be the disclaimer, but it may be too ?hands off? for your liking.
Another answer may be to put a general note on all Rubberdex entries, along the lines of, ?Please ensure that any feedback you give tells us what happened, rather than just giving an unjustified opinion. Unjustified negative feedback should not be posted and, if posted, will be removed. Disputes with suppliers should be resolved direct with them, not through this forum.? Perhaps this could be used as well as the disclaimer.
The result is that:
? Sponsors get the possibility of feedback, that they can use in their advertising.
? Everyone can give honest feedback on all suppliers. If someone has a bad experience, and gets no satisfaction from the supplier (e.g. they don?t respond to any communications), he/she can post this as honest feedback, along the lines of, ?I ordered goods from X. Waited 3 months, nothing arrived. I tried contacting them, they did not respond. I would be careful about ordering anything from X.?
? You get happy members and happy sponsors.
If my approach has any merit in your eyes, please let me know. I would not feel happy being ?unbanned? without some explanation being given for how it has occurred. I accept that this is because of my pride ? put simply, I would like it to be known that I have not just ?apologised and promised not to do it again.?
Thank you for reading this far, if you have.